Are journalism schools ‘getting it’? Jarvis, Greenslade, Woods
Jeff Jarvis is a journalist, founder of Entertainment Weekly and BuzzMachine, and a well-known proponent of new media. He is an associate professor and directs the new media program at City University of New York's (CUNY) Graduate School of Journalism.
Roy Greenslade is a Professor of Journalism at London’s City University. He blogs about media for The Guardian and has worked across several of Britain’s national papers. He describes himself as a ‘mere’ weekly lecturer though, and admits not knowing much about the journalism programs led in the direction of new media, but offers some of his views, in contrast with Jarvis’.
Keith Woods is the Dean of Faculty at the Poynter Institute. He has worked as a reporter, city editor, editorial writer and columnist at The Times-Picayune in New Orleans. He answered through email.
What are some examples of forward-thinking programs and schools?
Greenslade: We’re like the rest of the profession, we’re floundering, although our school is taking strides towards implementing multimedia skills for students, but this is hardly unique now.
Jarvis: CUNY’s journalism program is only one-year old, but we’re going in the right direction. Every student has a Mac laptop – note, laptop. That alone matters in terms of multimedia capacity and mobility, so they can work from anywhere. All students are required to take the ‘Fundamentals of Interactive Journalism’ course during their first semester. This course has two main goals: firstly, they learn the basics of multimedia and how to produce all the forms out there, including audio, video, wikis, blogs, new methods of storytelling, and more. Every student must feel comfortable in every medium, although that doesn’t mean they’ll become experts. Secondly, they learn how the changes have impacted on the journalism industry. Apart from their new skills, it’s more of a seminar about changes and opportunities in journalism.
I also teach a journalism entrepreneurship course, which gives students a business perspective on these changes, so they understand that it might be more difficult to get a job in a (print) publication today, but that this also gives them the opportunity to be more independent. Although some get worried about their career choice, a lot of them are energized by the idea of independence. Just look at Brian Stelter, TVNewser’s founder, who at 21 now works for The New York Times. And I teach some business to students, because they must learn we have to take our responsibilities to sustain journalism. Back when I was learning journalism, business was an entirely different thing. I’m not suggesting journalists should be business people, but they must understand how their content is valued.
After the first semester, students still choose (platform-based) tracks, although we’re trying to work towards a more fluid structure. They also choose a subject track, such as health, business, urban, or arts & culture. This track-based system is still in place because there’s a job reality: if they want to go into broadcast, or print feature writing, there are some specific skills they still need to learn. But we keep the convergence going by having students take one course or take up one project in another track every semester. Will tracks disappear in the future? What I know is that there’s a constant simplification of technology and tools that will make it easier for journalism students to learn different media. Think about it: in the past, a journalist who wanted to learn photography had to learn everything about the dark room, nowadays they all know how to use Photoshop.
Woods: Many programs, such as the Medill school of journalism, the University of Southern California, the University of North Carolina and Arizona State University, have moved boldly to incorporate multimedia not as an add-on, but as the central focus of their storytelling.
What are the main obstacles faced by journalism schools?
Jarvis: I hadn’t thought about it that way. None that I know of. So no trouble with the ‘old media’ professor? No, not in our program anyway. When working out the programs over the summer, all faculty studied multimedia courses together. They actually asked for more multimedia sessions.
Greenslade: If we are to have professional journalism in the future, we must uphold standards. We must teach our students and show that journalism is still useful at a time when everybody can publish their ‘news.’
Woods: For the many (schools of journalism) who don't (include multimedia as the central focus of their storytelling), there are several obstacles:
-- Faculty aren't versed in the new technologies
-- Financial constraints make it hard to provide a meaningful multimedia curriculum
-- Old habits die hard
With all of the other institutionalized requirements in college curricula, it's hard for some universities, given existing structures, to equip journalism students with all those skills. That challenge will test the ability of journalism schools to remain relevant in this new century.
What are journalism schools doing to further their interaction with media outlets and better the products of both organizations?
Jarvis: Our News Service program sends our students to newspapers and publications to collaborate during the school year. We also have a mandatory summer internship program that sends students to media outlets of all sorts (both traditional and new media, such as the citizen-driven venture New Haven Independent). We got a grant from the Knight Foundation to make sure all students could afford these internships, which are sometimes unpaid.
Journalism students typically come from the demographic newspapers are trying hard to reach. But are they representative of this demo, do they come in ready to embrace changes in journalism, or do they still think platform-centric?
Jarvis: Most students come in open to what’s next. Although it’s true a number are initially intent on a particular form of journalism, such as feature reporting, which is typically most adapted to print.
Greenslade: These students grew up in a period of transition. Almost all of them have grown up with the Net. The oddity is that they’re all seeking ‘old media’ jobs, because these are perceived as being more stable, although this traditional media structure is all in the period of breakdown. I don’t think they’re yet convinced of that though – they’re not taking this fragmentation seriously. It’s mostly people who worked in the media in the past who are witnessing this fragmentation.
On the other hand, the difference is that today’s journalism students have the multimedia skills and background if they need them. When I asked my class who was signed up for Facebook, virtually everybody raised their hand.
Do you see students who are coming up with ideas that could pioneer new forms of journalism?
Jarvis: Yes. In that same entrepreneurship course, most students offered ideas that were websites. But one of them is working on a project for a Facebook news outlet, because students find that there’s plenty of content but not enough social networking components. Another student has a TV-like idea for a two-minute news show, which could be online or broadcast. There’s also a project focused around the idea that the public should be telling us what to do, not the reverse.
Greenslade: After going through the program, several students immediately became videojournalists, so I suppose that’s a form of pioneering. On a more philosophical level, there’s the example of Dave Lee, probably Britain’s leading student journalist blogger.
Any other thoughts about changes in journalism that programs should be addressing?
Woods: News organizations themselves have been blind-sided by the pace of change in technology and the institutional and societal mandate to change immediately. Only now can they project with any real accuracy what competencies they'll need for incoming college graduates. They'll continue to need the basics of reporting and storytelling, but students will also need to have a fundamental familiarity with software and some knowledge of how and why to use audio, video and still pictures to tell stories.
Greenslade: As before, we must make sure journalists have a complete knowledge of law, ethics, and know how to use and interact with their sources. But now, journalists must also learn how to choose their sources among bloggers, and they’re the ones to decide which ones are most credible and must promote them as credible. There’s a lot more fact-guessing, fact-checking and collating than there was before, due to the unlimited number of sources.
Jarvis: As far as multimedia storytelling, many pieces simply collate different media, one next to the other. For example, people tend to think video must be packaged into a text article, whereas journalists could use these new multimedia elements as simple illustrations, stand alone, as has been the case with photos for years. We must also explore the possibilities of links and permalinks, which give a whole new potential to the depth of content, because they can be used to link to everything, including quotes, sources, background information, other comments on a same topics, and more. There’s also the idea of turning the journalistic relationship around, as the public can now decide on the selection of news content. Does this run the risk of turning all news news into tabloid, gossipy content? First of all, if you asked the public what they would like to learn from Pro Publica’s investigative journalists, I’m not sure the answer would be Paris Hilton. Secondly, popularity shouldn’t be the only factor. And like Jay Rosen said, that’s the role of the editor, who will still be there to make those calls.
Source: Jeff Jarvis, BuzzMachine – Roy Greenslade, Guardian - Keith Woods, Poynter Institute
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"These students grew up in a period of transition. Almost all of them have grown up with the Net. The oddity is that they’re all seeking ‘old media’ jobs, because these are perceived as being more stable, although this traditional media structure is all in the period of breakdown. I don’t think they’re yet convinced of that though – they’re not taking this fragmentation seriously."
Absolutely spot on. Our course here at Lincoln is certainly geared with that frame of mind. The phrase "It's only for online" crops up time and time again... I think I'm guilty of using it myself sometimes.
I think most online courses, where journalism is concerned, have the wrong final goal. I've yapped on and on about how our course for online is a glorified Dreamweaver tutorial. What use is that? None. First, find me a news organisation where the journalists are designing the websites. If you manage that, find me one that uses Dreamweaver 4 to do it. Not a chance -- yet that's what we're taught here. I almost expected to told about a new design idea called 'frames'. Fortunately it wasn't that drastic -- but almost.
At Lincoln, we're taking it on ourselves. I've arranged for The Linc -- the student newspaper I edit -- to cover the Students' Union elections online with a live coverage project. We've got a blog, a load of digital cameras, a flickr mobile account, some TV cameras.. and, of course, a team of excellent young journalists. I hope we can pull it off.
Answer me this: As a trainee journalist, what learning experience is more important to our careers? The one we've had to INVENT ourselves, or the one I pay an awful lot of money for?
Pretty frightening.
UCLan seem to have got it right, it has to be said.
On a brighter note: Thanks, Roy, for the compliment. It is very much appreciated.
I am one of those journalists who cringe when I hear "the new media" being promoted in universities. I can't image any journalist going to a breaking news event with his/her video camera, digital still camera, laptop and any other device to broadcast a podcast or type in a blog to a network of on-line sites where only the faithful can locate because they like the effect of preaching to the choir. Yes, there are billions of news sources out there -- each one spewing personal opinions about events that they read about in the "old" media and then upchuck on the "new" media.
When I hear about the advantages of the new media, I have several questions for which I have yet to see documented answers.
First -- what are the things that people who embrace the "new" media searching? The most downloaded or e-mailed stories found even in the New York Times are overwhelmingly pop-culture based stories. At a time of possible political misdeeds involving the Iraq and Afghanistan Wars and at a time of incredible significance of what could be one of the most important presidential elections in the history of this country -- I can't understand why the "new" media is focused on sports and pop-culture?
Secondly -- With the billions of "news" sources on the Internet, what percentage of the clutter is primary-source material that has been carefully vetted for accuracy? Our radio waves are over run with talk-shows that masquerade as "news and information" when they are just the opinions of the host matched against the opinions of the listener. The blog and the podcast is often the same -- opinions of people with no first-hand knowledge of the subject. That does not strike me as very productive use of shiny new toys.
Third -- There have been quite a few studies (e.g. State of the Media) about why people are leaving the "old" media. None of these point to a desire to spend more time on the Internet sifting through the chaff of public opinion. The public has been very clear about why they are disgusted with the state of the media. And yet, I have yet to see ONE news organization embrace the constructive criticism and make changes within their news organization.
So, are journalism schools "getting it"? Hell no. It's more fun to teach people about shiny new toys and technological bells-and-whistles. Teaching the need for QUALITY journalism is too "old school."
Alan Kania
ajkania@comcast.net
I think Jarvis, Greenslade, etc are to be applauded for their rational and responsible view of all this. The very fact these shiny toys exist poses a deep problem for journalism because the shiny toys automatically confers legitimacy on the producer by a large number of users. "No shiny toys tells me you're not in the real-time world I live in."
As a writer, an editorial guy, a heavy reader it may be humbling to learn to play with the new toys but it is extemely doable and necessary. Journalists are just one of a number of professions that need to master these new tools on behalf of the integrity and future of their profession!
What teachers need to do is separate out the resourcefulness of the toys from the demands and responsibilities of the profession and not mash them together.
I think the transition will pass in ten or fifteen years, maybe earlier. It is a fascinating story in itself.
Alan,
---Yes, there are billions of news sources out there -- each one spewing personal opinions about events that they read about in the "old" media and then upchuck on the "new" media.---
Erm, my experience would be that a lot of what I read from the traditional media seems to that upchuck scraped up and re-published.
----[A]t a time of incredible significance of what could be one of the most important presidential elections in the history of this country -- I can't understand why the "new" media is focused on sports and pop-culture?----
It isn’t. You are talking about a percentage of the stuff that is out there. Most of it is the new media offerings of traditional media companies. Sport and celebrity make money (heat etc.) for traditional media so they follow the model online. If that’s the business model that sustains them then good luck to them Other people see it is successful so they follow the model – that’s the joy of online, individuals can do what we do, maybe even better. If the media feeds a diet of celebrity and sport why are you surprised that much of the audience up-chuck the same.
The simple point is that you need to look the good stuff and that suggests that an important part of the role of a journalist is to find it, engage with it and then point their audience to it so that they can do the same.
----[W]hat percentage of the clutter is primary-source material that has been carefully vetted for accuracy?----
Be careful what standards you set for new media. I think a lot of ‘old media’ may find it hard to meet them. The web means that they will be called to task on it as well. And no amount of trying to dismiss it as ‘up-chuck’ will stop them.
----So, are journalism schools "getting it"? Hell no. It's more fun to teach people about shiny new toys and technological bells-and-whistles. Teaching the need for QUALITY journalism is too "old school." ----
I know you aren’t letting old media off the hook but if that’s your stance you need to define quality better than ‘not what I see online’. Your comments suggest you have no real idea of the range and diversity of the content being produced and a selective blind spot to the failings ‘traditional journalism’.
We do need to teach quality journalism but we need to accept that it is not defined by a medium.
As David suggest, what we ALL need to do “is separate out the resourcefulness of the toys from the demands and responsibilities of the profession and not mash them together.”
Old media is a platform for stories, a vehicle for debate. It's 'hi-jacked' by politicians to make propaganda. It's bought and sold for corporate gain falling victim to commercial interests, and 'lobbying'. It's subject to self inflicted rules and regulations and occassionally 'gagged' by legislation. It exisits to deliver an audience to advertisers. Some old media is exceptional. Some old media is rubbish. New media (are we talking ''digital' media?) is a platform for stories - a vehicle for debate. Some new media is exceptional. Some new media is rubbish. Are the two worlds of so called 'old' and 'new' media mutually exclusive - or does their co existence add plurality to the 'voice' of media - digital media engaging an otherwise disenfranchised public offering them a vehicle for expresion. Surely no one is suggesting the only views that count can be heard or seen on old media platforms. (or new media platforms if you're on the other side of the digital divide) Can it really be that the quality of argument determined by the size of its audience?